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February 23, 2003

About watches, fat bellies and culture

Reading Franís post gave me the impression we could Ė nearly at the end of the time we are supposed to be here Ė be getting to the place this was al supposed to lead: a discussion about the many roads of history on the net. Saw the movie from India (already mentioned that) and could not help it: I thought about the movie as if it were the movies I saw as a kid (old movies based on Astrid Lindgren books for instance) and then Ė total shock - I saw the video clip intermezzoís. I try to look at Chinese movies with western eyes, but then I realize there is no suspense in them, it is just a straight line, you donít know what is going to happen next, there is no tension, it is almost epical in the Bachtine sense of the word.

If we are talking interactivity: I do not know the signals someone from another culture would get, when hearing a story. I mean: what are the triggers to suspect that something is going on. I heard a story about Rambo being depicted with a fat belly in India (dunno if that is really true) because all heroís in movies from India have fat bellies. And thatís just the tip of the iceberg.

Back to the interactivity.

Number 1: Rhizome art as a revolutionary art form is as Eurocentric as it can because it is connected to philosophical ideaís here (philosophical idealism). Without that philosophy it is just plain chaos.

Number 2: If I want to play a game with someone while telling a story, we need to agree on the basic rules. The basic rules of a story are symbols. I can not play a game with someone in India. I donít know the rules for that, so Iím not qualified. Man, maybe I even donít know how to email with someone from Mexico, because I live in a cold hearted country that sometimes scares kids from other cultures because the houses look so identically ugly wherever you go, and if someone is nice to you without reason the general tendency is to think: what does he want from me? (Donít worry, I live in a beautiful small old house myself with a view on a park with a little lake).

A theatre group from the Netherlands did a show in some eastern European country (Dog Troop). It involved - among other things Ė the butchering of a toy bear and getting a whole bunch of wristwatches out of his guts. To their amazement, the audience could not stop laughing. Why? Symbol for USSR is a bear. What did naughty USSR bear do in that country? Build wristwatch factories and all the wristwatches were shipped to USSR papa bear.

Somehow writing here becomes an addiction as Osfa stated. And if we continue - he said - we need a new architecture. How about an original piece at least once a week but with more room for comment (more than once a week), but inline, not in the dead end cul de sac comment window where interesting things are said but donít know if anyone reads it and if they do: will they read what I say next?

Ayway: only two persons responded to my post, so: it will probably be over on march the 1st.

Pods: I will check out the avatar chat. I spoke John Lennon once when he was still a big java applet. Since he has become another type of program, he is not that good anymore. And it is a pity that Active Worlds is no longer free.

Posted by Jeroen Goulooze at February 23, 2003 03:30 AM

annleejpg reading you.



beyond the room the ram.

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play with me Jeroen

Posted by: annleejpg on February 23, 2003 04:31 AM

hi jeroen,

seems like we're getting somewhere, i was just propposing a coolective weblog to tony a few posts below yours. i like your idea of doing something once a week or twice, with more time space to respond.

i believe translation is such a big issue because sometimes context can't be translated. in a way universality has been overrated. i believe new york, paris, and los angeles are quite universal. and even madrid is kind of universal in the latinamerican world, but c'mon, look at baghdad this days: once it used to be the center of the world, just look at the 1001 nights and other literature, and look at the way it's perceived now. ok, but seems to me i'm a centimeter away of stepping into a different territory.

how about we do our own active world? altough the weblog idea might be a better idea. anyhow, i will proppose a project which i hope you'll enjoy and would like to collaborate with it.

hugs! and about to leave many minutes later than i thought to a screening of spike jonze 'adaptation'. you should see it, it's a topic you are very interested in.

Posted by: fran on February 23, 2003 05:53 PM

If we do, I think we would have to find more people, from around the globe, working with new media. As I said in an earlier post.

There are many dead world centers..Maybe one could even say there are many worlds with many centers.

There was a site once dedicated to dead media (flagposts used to bring a message over long distances in but a few hours, etc). All those media can be connected to world centers.

Posted by: Jeroen Goulooze on February 24, 2003 02:42 AM
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